Figuring out your identity with Jared Angaza // EP205

Jared Angaza is an Identity Architect, author, podcaster, and philanthropist. Over the past 20 years, he's leveraged the studies of behavioral science, consciousness, philanthropy, creativity, and culture to develop remarkable brands, events, and campaigns. Today, he guides seekers on their spiritual quest and continues to develop socially conscious brands, cultures of innovation, and experiences that bolster the vitality of humanity and our planet.

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Jared Angaza, Wordslinger Announcer, Kevin Tumlinson

Kevin Tumlinson  00:00

Welcome back swingers to another week of the word slinger podcast. And today we're talking to identity architect, Jared on Gaza. Stay tuned. Hey, how you doing on money? I know it's a touchy subject, but I got some that may help you out. See I'm using an app called acorns. It helps me manage some investing. Put some money back, get a little interest. It's kind of nice to watch my money grow. So I want to share that with you. Go to Kevin tumlinson.com slash acorns. And you'll get some free money. See you there.

Wordslinger Announcer  00:43

It's the word slinger Podcast, where story matters. build your brand, write your book, redefine who you are. It's all about this story here. What's yours? Now? Here's the guy who invented Optional. Kevin Tumlinson no word slinger. What?

Kevin Tumlinson  01:08

Hey, welcome back, everybody. It is the second episode. I'm not going to keep doing this every every week, but it is the second episode of 2020. Did you see that common? Okay, dad jokes aside, um, this is an interesting interview now last week, Episode 204 for those paying attention. We talked with Heath Armstrong about well about how to get back up basically how to, you know, he redefined himself in his career. But in that interview, he mentioned someone he met on an airplane. And after the call, he was excited about the idea of introducing me to this gentleman, and that is our guest today. That is today's guest Jared on Gaza. He is an identity our architect, he's an author podcaster philanthropist. I think I say this at the beginning of the interview, so forgive the redundancy. But he he's going to be talking to us about you know, his work is with figuring out who you are figuring out your identity. And that's not just that's that's not just branding for like your business, although it can include that. But, you know, he helps you kind of figure out what how you identify yourself. Oh, you know what? I'm gonna let him explain it. We're going to be getting into that interview in a second. I just want to take a minute and thank everybody for the support. You've been sending my way. Lots of things changing, man, I got a lot of stuff going right now. Now today, I am doing a webinar a free webinar with Nick factor. He and I of course are launching author dot email. Now if you haven't heard this yet. I don't blame you. We haven't. We haven't spent A lot of time promoting the show because we were still kind of tinkering under the hood, getting things working. But here's the gist we are always preaching. We being anyone in the indie author influencing sphere. Anyone who talks to indie authors on a regular basis, we are constantly telling you how important an email mailing list is. It's your best marketing tool. It's still the most powerful marketing tool out there. You get to own your platform. Well, Nick and I for years now, now we've talked talked about this in the past and it kind of fizzled, but we've got we've got our, we've got iron in our spine. Now we've got rocks in our stomachs. I don't know if that's a thing. But we, we we made some progress on this. And we are getting ready to launch. Now we're going to be launching into a basically we're going to onboard people into free trials as a beta part of the beta Try it for 30 days free. And then after that, we're going to start moving everyone into paid programs if they if they like it if they want to stay on. So very reasonable rates, you can find everything. I don't want to announce anything rate wise because, you know, things can change over time. So if you're listening this in the far future, I don't want you to go and say, Kevin lied to me about how much this cost, because who knows, who knows what will happen? But so far, I think rates are pretty good. So Nick, and I built this because we needed it. That's really the origin of this. So author dot email, that's the web address, author dot email. Go there now. We also have author email that calm when go check that out. You can also find this if you go to word slinger. podcast.com which now points to the podcast. Thank you, GoDaddy for helping me fix that. So if you go to words on your podcast com I've now Added author email into the the header menu on the page on the website. You'll also find indie author blueprint, which we are, I'm building with Roland Dinsdale, because you know, I can never say no.

Kevin Tumlinson  05:20

Good idea. So we're going to be talking about that a little more in the future, but you can get on the waitlist for that as well. We're currently populating that with useful materials and content. For you, the indie author, it's going to be all about vetting and curating the best content out there. generating some of our own content, doing all kinds of really cool things meant to help the indie author community, help you as an author to build grow and dominate in your in your author career. So check that out. That's indie author blueprint. com you'll find a link to that as well. words on your podcast that calm as well. And then the final thing I wanted to throw out there is that I've been doing a lot more stuff on YouTube for my personal channel. And I'm doing a little more for word slinger podcast as well. So you can definitely check that out if you go to. Actually, if you go to words layer podcast calm in the menu up top, says YouTube, click on it. And that will take you to my personal YouTube channel. And that is where I'm putting a ton of new content, some of which will be author related. You can also find my new show the written word podcast, which is spinning out of my written world blog, which is also on that that page. So that stuff's not specifically author centric. It is meant to be a vehicle for finding more readers, but you may enjoy it, and I would really appreciate it if you'd subscribe to me on YouTube. Find this my personal channel And the words linear podcast channel are both available on YouTube. If you will click on the subscribe button and hit the little bell. That's what they tell you hit the little bell for notifications. This is a common YouTube thing if you watch YouTube a lot, but that helps me out a great deal and I appreciate it. So thank you for that help. Now. All that said, we're seven minutes in let's let's jump ahead of the game a little. And I introduced to you someone I really like a great guy, and someone who was a really interesting career in her career trajectory. Jared on God. I did stick around after some final Hey everybody, thanks for tuning into another word slinger interview, and today we're talking to I was introduced to today's guest by another guest. And since his episode hasn't aired yet, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna tell you who it was. I'm talking to Jared on Gaza. He is, among other things interesting bio, by the way, Jared, he is an identity architect, author, podcaster and philanthropist. Welcome to the show, man. I'm glad to have you here.

Jared Angaza  08:14

Thanks so much. Glad to be here.

Kevin Tumlinson  08:16

So identity architect is probably one of the more interesting titles I've heard in a while. You want to talk about what that is?

Jared Angaza  08:23

Sure. Yeah. I mean, I I work with brands and influencers. And I used to work a lot with government organizations and things like that. But ultimately, I'm helping people figure out their identity, whether it's a brand identity or a personal identity, and helping them figure out the greatest value like what what's the value of this, if you bring me a project, you know, what's the greatest value and a lot of times they're coming to me with what they think is the greatest value and then we unearth something greater. Yeah, we got an article articulate that into a brand. So I do that with individuals and with Organizations have been doing a long time.

Kevin Tumlinson  09:02

What's kind of at the heart of that? Like, how do you unearth someone's what they're really about? If they don't know

Jared Angaza  09:12

it will 25 years of the

Jared Angaza  09:17

ride on experience helps but it's my my vocation career, whatever life I kind of started at 17 years old, where I started in heavy into activism and philanthropy, working with American Indian Movement and so on. But that whole journey has led me into this understanding how people work, it's behavioral economics, it's like, why do we what are we motivated by what are our fears? Why do we act, the way we act and all that? So if I'm trying to get somebody to, you know, change their behavior from a civic society standpoint, or social standpoint, or to you know, buy this thing or go to this retreat, or you know, or whatever it is, if it's private sector or you know, charity world It's really just why do we do what we do? What makes us us what makes us tick? What makes us make decisions? Right? So I'm always just looking into that and and that's helps to be to be able to Intuit to kind of, you know, what's going on with someone and or a brand in terms of I can read them well, because I can see what they're coming in with here, a little bit of backstory, have a couple conversations, get some baseline kind of understandings, and then immediately start to look and see, okay, here are opportunities for you, you know, places that maybe you haven't been on earth. And I have, you know, a lot of systems and processes, sort of in from pulling from the psycho psycho therapy community and practice and to kind of push people into understanding and going, Oh, my God, like, I didn't know that about myself or the brand or whatever. Yeah, we pull that out and unearth that and then we say okay, now how do we say that in a way that speaks to your target demographic, the people that that care most about what you do.

Kevin Tumlinson  11:01

See, and I like how you you put that because you you said to find sort of unearth the hidden opportunities, which is something I'm all about like I, I think most of us especially the, you know, most of this audience is independent authors, right? Yeah, I think they're hidden opportunities. And branding is something that they hear about a lot. But I don't think they they don't get the full story of what branding means. Like if they think of a

Jared Angaza  11:25

storytelling in a large, me large like, yeah,

Kevin Tumlinson  11:27

exactly the way I think of it. So what do I mean, if you were talking? I don't know. Do you deal? I'm sure you deal with a lot of people who are authors?

Jared Angaza  11:35

Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, my dad is an author and teaches people how to be authors and hangs with Seth Godin, and those guys, and they're all taking the publishing world on and I've been in the middle of that growing up. Hmm.

Kevin Tumlinson  11:48

My buddy said, Oh, yes, everyone thinks he knows Seth Godin, because he answers all the emails. Oh, yeah.

Jared Angaza  11:58

That's it. Yeah. I grew up With, with his influence for sure. And then he and my father have worked together quite a bit over the years. And I'm grateful for that influence for sure. But then my dad and I wrote a book together as well. And it was that 2011 or so. Or maybe I can't, yeah, somewhere around there. But it's, it's available on Amazon wisdom meets passion. And that was a great experience for me. And a lot of ways. You know, I'm a writer, and I've been a blogger and all that for a long time. But then writing with my father was was a great father son experience, trust me, in terms of just when he asked me his publisher Random House that asked if we would do a book together, and I thought, well, he'll probably say no, and he didn't. He said, Yes. So we did it. And it was really beautiful. It was great for our relationship, but it was also great, you know, to learn how to write a book.

Kevin Tumlinson  12:52

Yeah. What was that process like for you? Was it different than linear? Everything you're used to?

Jared Angaza  12:59

Yeah, I mean, I'm a blogger, so everything is just mine. Yeah. Right. Yeah, editors and publishers and whatever, or my father for that matter involves a co author, you know, I, it was great. I liked the structure of it and the process. I was living in Mombasa, Kenya at the time. So I wrote my portion of the book and sitting on the balcony overlooking the Indian Ocean, and usually in my board shorts. That was a great way to do it. And it worked in the way that dad would write a, he wrote a chapter, send it to me, and then I'd write my response to that chapter from my perspective, from another generation from another, you know, experience of life. I was living in Muslim town of Mombasa and Africa on the coast. And my dad was writing from his cozy office in Nashville, Tennessee. Yeah, it was an interesting discussion and the things that we got into we have very similar core beliefs and very different tactics and methodologies

Kevin Tumlinson  14:03

that would that would I think that would track with the whole father and son thing, though, you know, I think all fathers and sons could could maybe make that claim, especially sharing values, you know, and we should we've, since we talked about your data, we should mention your dad is Dan Miller. He's the guy he's written books that a lot of my audience is have read.

Jared Angaza  14:20

Oh, really? Okay. Yeah, I'm not surprised by that. Actually.

Kevin Tumlinson  14:23

Well, the whole 48 days thing. I mean, anybody who is out kind of trying to build this type of business is type of depends on the type of author you are. I'm the type of author who's read all his books, so Oh, wow.

Jared Angaza  14:37

That's great. I didn't even know that.

Kevin Tumlinson  14:38

Yeah, that was actually believe it or not, though. That was not actually a factor at all in asking you to be on the show because I didn't realize it until this morning when I was looking at your your body of work to get ready for the show.

Jared Angaza  14:54

The first time that's happened, and I'm good, I appreciate it. It's all good.

Kevin Tumlinson  14:58

Guys don't have the same last name. Man, so it's hard to put that together instantly. We talked about

Jared Angaza  15:03

that in the book a little bit. Yeah, there's there's a reason behind that. Yeah.

Kevin Tumlinson  15:06

So that's the one Dan Miller book I haven't read yet. Shame on me. I need to get

Jared Angaza  15:12

I'll get you on give me your address.

Kevin Tumlinson  15:14

Oh, look at you. So, okay, so you guys, you penned this book? And what was the sort of what was the drive behind that? Like, what was the goal? Random House just asked you guys to do this together just out of the blue.

Jared Angaza  15:29

So they asked him Yeah, I mean, I was in I was in Africa, but

Kevin Tumlinson  15:32

I agree. Right.

Jared Angaza  15:33

I something had happened. And you know, I think I might have been back for one of my or during it just happened to be during one of my father's events. He does quite a few events. Yeah. And I think there was a publishing one or something that happened where he asked me to get up and speak because I was just in from Africa and he usually when I am he usually will have me say something. And I did and that was when the one of the his reps or publisher some somebody from from Random House was there, I guess. And then, and there was a discussion about that, but they they, yeah, dad had thought about it, I guess before and it just happened and came together. And I was really honored and excited to like, get to write a book, you know, had been talking about it for a long time. It was really cool. And now I'm, yeah, it's good. I am. I've got I've got a couple more in the works. I bought

Kevin Tumlinson  16:25

my segway. I was trying to segue to your

Jared Angaza  16:29

that's good. I saw it coming.

Jared Angaza  16:31

I, I got distracted with the book writing because I did I ended up writing a course on the integrated identity and, and then I as I wrote the course right before I launched it, I started a mastermind group and now we're launching it through the course through the mastermind group as the part of the curriculum or the kind of the baseline of the curriculum, okay, and it's a new mastermind community that we've put together and it's called passage. And it's a it's a modern rites of passage and integration society, but it's so people that are looking for, I should say men that are looking for conscious manhood and how to have a community support that and so on. And we've been, we haven't gotten our we haven't gone through our rites of passage, we didn't have those, as most Americans don't. And we, you know, we struggle to find some of the courage and the clarity and the wisdom and things like that that we want. And that our ancestors were used to getting, and we don't, because we don't go through those processes, certainly not to that extent are the same. So we're really recreating some of those, there's 412 week programs, and each one has an initiation, that you could then go into the next next level. And it's just kind of a culmination of 25 years of studying humans and figuring out you know, in my own path, obviously, we always teach you know, What we've gone through and I've been on that path of trying to discover my own identity and who am I? Big Questions? Who am I? Why am I here? And what am I committed to? Cause right, last ones, pick one, pick one. And so it's, it's just like that. When I take those three questions, and I have all these processes for that when I take people through all that it's just magical. I mean, you get it. It's like you get into the attic of someone's mind. It's like where they haven't. And then a while, yeah, we get to really discover some amazing things. It's like therapy often for both of us. But we get in there and and I've had clients I had one here recently that just had he's just exploded into like, another being. It's just like a totally different guy now, because he was liberated through understanding this stuff about himself and his real value and things like that, that he just hadn't paid attention to. Yeah. I like working with individuals that way. I mean, I've done the brand thing and the government thing, those big projects You know, they, they pay well, and that's nice but well, and I visual one to one.

Kevin Tumlinson  19:05

Yeah, I was kind of teasing earlier and I meant to correct it. But the reason i, you and I connected is because I interviewed Heath Armstrong, which I think he was one of your, maybe, maybe not a client, but I mean it kind of early stages of this. He's kind of,

Jared Angaza  19:21

he's the heat I met on a plane. You know, we had a crazy story. I was coming back from Rwanda, or maybe I was heading back to her one day from the States. I can't remember. But it was after a bunch of crazy stuff. And I was on a plane and I think I shared some stories and we connect it and I sent him my dad's book right after that when after he got off the plane, I texted, my sister said, Hey, send that book to this address. And that guy, Heath and it wasn't until years later that he he contacted me again and he said, Hey, man, through the conversation on the plane and the book that you sent and whatever, it literally like changed the course of my life. And then we connected at that point and have been for friends, I guess not for three or 434 years. And then he's, he's been out here to San Diego. I'm directly under the flight path in San Diego. You may hear that in Ocean Beach here, but he is coming. And he's part of the family now. I mean, like, literally, like, hangs out with the fam he's hung out at my house with my family when I've been gone. Yeah. So we just, we have such a great relationship and I just interviewed him on my podcast on noetic. Okay, and then he'll be here shortly.

Kevin Tumlinson  20:34

Yeah, we have to I got to reconnect with him because we tried to get me on his show. And then things just kind of we get we both got busy with different directions. So I need to reach out to him. Yeah, he's a good guy. I liked him a lot. Yeah. And he is good friends with honor a quarter. I don't know if you know her. No, no. Yeah. So she's another right. She's a kind of a frequent guest of the show. I've had her on like three times now.

Jared Angaza  20:59

Oh, cool. Check it out,

Kevin Tumlinson  21:00

time to reach out to her again. So let's talk about your philanthropy work. Like what's the because you've got a book or program? I can't. Which was it or both? you're building something?

Jared Angaza  21:14

Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of a mixed bag there. I wrote an E book. So it's kind of a book but it's just a, you know, it's a presentation. And it's called natural born philanthropist. And it's really just about

Jared Angaza  21:30

I believe that we, you know, not to get too metaphysical, conscious, metaphysical.

Jared Angaza  21:37

That's, that's where I usually am.

Jared Angaza  21:40

It's, we come from love, man, we're from that source of love and we're trying to realign with that I think is you know, I have four kids. So I get to study kids a lot. You know, and I'm studying that and you know, studied biology and in that early childhood development and all that and It's just so interesting to look at, like how we were created, where we come from the things that we come into this world with. And then we get all this chaos and rubble and static, you know, on top of it throughout our lives and in the these agreements that we have that with in these beliefs that we have that come from all of this influence from outside. Yeah, I think like when I'm working with a client, a lot of what I'm doing is just kind of like shipping all that stuff away to kind of get back to the core of their authentic self, like who they are their highest self. And as I think that part of that there's an intrinsic desire and kind of element of us, that is designed to be in communication and in relationship with other humans. I don't think we're fully human alone. Yeah. So as we engage with other humans, and we do that in a loving way, we have the ability to connect and bring when when a CS Lewis, his friends died. He's like his best friend. And he said he said in that moment he mourned the loss of the elements of him CS Lewis that only his friend could bring out of him. Yeah. And I thought Wow, what an amazing example of our testament to our interconnected this. Yeah. So as that the whole concept behind the natural born philanthropist scenario is just that. I believe that as we lean into that innate element of us we find more joy and satisfaction and fulfillment and all that you know, as we live by our values living by our values always brings us joy, we just don't often sometimes. So in the thought of doing it and the change whatever seems like dread You know, sometimes but when we actually do it, we're rewarded for that and we and it self perpetuates in that way we have to kind of tip the scale I guess, but and then also in this in this I this document I created Four paths of philanthropy and broke it down and said, Look, if you want to look at philanthropy, here's a way to look at and I use philanthropy because it means it translates to loving humans like to, to love another human.

Kevin Tumlinson  24:12

Oh, yeah, that's right.

Jared Angaza  24:15

Philo's anthropic, so there's, there's a, it's just, it's who we are, we're naturally born that way. And I think we have to realign with that realign with love and realign with that natural, philanthropic side of us to love humans to be loving human beings and to love human beings. You know, it's part of being human. But it's also you know, there's there's a lot of different ways to look at it that people get confused in that and I've just said, Look, here's a tool if you want to look at it like this, you know, are you easing pain? Like Mother Teresa? Are you changing the system? You know, like, Elon Musk or Richard Branson or something? Or Or are you changing the consciousness of the people? That then goes back and affects everything else that you would have done prior to that. It's like, as we we changed the I'm more interested now in changing the way people think. Yeah, in the way that people see the world. Yeah, I can see another human as a commodity to traffic them. I worked in anti trafficking. That's a fundamental problem. I can fight trafficking all day, or I can start to fight the thing that causes people to see people as other other people as a commodity. Yeah, rather than a human. So it's just you know, and we, I think there's no right or wrong way. We need all of them. We need all those things, but we, we beat it. Also, I think the clearer we are as a philanthropist of what we're actually doing, if you're easing the pain, if you're dropping food in on a refugee camp, you're not solving any problem for in terms of what's causing that refugee camp to perpetuate. You're just easing the pain. We have to have that. That's Mother Teresa. That's Jesus. We need it. Yeah, yeah. We need that love, but you know, and then we need People to change those systems as well. And I think we also need people then to change the help change in consciousness to shift the consciousness so that we're not having to combat it with other systems all the time.

Kevin Tumlinson  26:10

And that's true. And that's, you know, every successful system has layered processes. It's not like you could just push one button and you're going to solve everything. That's why the, like you said, dropping food on a refugee camp, even things like the save the oil campaigns, things like that, going off and picketing and or going off and attacking boats or something like that can can momentarily change the conversation or change the action but it doesn't need little shocks to

Jared Angaza  26:40

the system. Every now and then I need we need awareness and we we need pressure. So that kind of activism is important. Awareness. But then we Yeah, and then, you know, there's guys out there that are, you know, it's like Scott Harrison from Charity Water, you know, yes, it changed. He flipped the whole thing on its head. It's got this amazing stuff. I remember he was just starting out. And he, he actually introduced me to my wife in Uganda. And he the stuff that he's done with, it's like, I use Charity Water as an example all the time and said, Look, if you want to raise money, here's how you do it. This is, are here are some ways, you know, that are very innovative and effective. And I think that's, that's it's got to happen, you know, and then there's the philosophers you know, out there that are trying to change the way people think that's kind of where I've ended up now. But it was after working on the other two paths for a long time and my whole life frontline activist and on the ground, 10 years in Africa and, and so on. So it's a I think the clearer we are about what we're doing, the more likely we are to be successful doing it.

Kevin Tumlinson  27:49

I absolutely agree with that. Yeah. And those those experiences, kind of being on the front lines, even if that's not what you represent. Now. That's the story. That taught you what you need to know in order to influence how people think

Jared Angaza  28:03

it gave me the perspective to be able to address the way people think. Yeah yeah

Kevin Tumlinson  28:07

yeah, I think I am probably insane general boat you are although I'm not as altruistic as you are. I think you're a much purer soul than I am. But I do but I am working to try to change the world by changing how people think. Absolutely mostly talking to authors about it though so

Jared Angaza  28:26

half the stuff that you can look at all this stuff in our heads it came from other authors right? That is my that's one

Kevin Tumlinson  28:32

evil plan is I want to influence authors to go out and influence the rest of the world

Jared Angaza  28:38

influence influencers man, I got a whole campaign on that. Go. You got

Kevin Tumlinson  28:42

a lot going on. How do you keep all this spinning? I mean, you've got Do you have like an organization behind you or what?

Jared Angaza  28:50

This is one slowly developing sort of just happening organically now but No, I have not for four or five years. I have A whole creative agency in Nairobi. Yeah, with 18 staff and so on. But and that's still going on there. But I left there about four years ago or so. So now it's just me and, you know, a couple of assistant or virtual assistant kind of setups or whatever. That's, that's it right now. It is quickly turning into a few things with all of my colleagues around the world sort of masterminding and workshopping our own stuff, and figuring out how to how to help each other. You know, it's worth mentioning I am sitting here in Ocean Beach, San Diego, right, in a large house with a huge front yard, which is a total unicorn in this neighborhood. And we found it and it's two we have two families, ours and another family that lived together in a co living situation. They're famous, you know, on their own right and YouTube and podcasts and things like that. They do and they do their their their mark. And, and they're very much in the conscious discussion as well as I am. And it's just we have this amazing community here. People ask us a lot, you know, how do you do all what you do? How do you do that, but I'm like, we could not do it without our community. That's what that's literally the key thing like all this self actualization journey we're on. At this certain level. It's like, again, we're not fully human alone, you can only get to a certain level on your own, I think. And then there's the community that comes in and to support and refine and challenge and all those elements that come in I'm sitting here looking out at my front yard or there's like a whole flock of people down there other you know, half the kids down. But that's that's part of what makes all this work. And you know, we get together for dinner and we end up workshop in the project for an hour and yeah, man come out the other side with something beautiful and it's in its collective. It's not just me, which is the better.

Kevin Tumlinson  30:56

Yeah, I think that's, that's sort of at the root of who we are as a species, and who we're trying to become, you know, it's like we're born individuals, we basically came from an environment where we were one with another human being. And then we spend the rest of our life first trying to be completely individually and independent and then realizing how much we need everyone else.

Jared Angaza  31:21

Absolutely, yeah. Now we're coming back to community and like, we've been taught, you know, that entered. We weren't taught anything about interdependence. It was co dependence, or independence, right. I'm like, wait, there's another one. There's a third. And that's all right now, it's just third way it's

Kevin Tumlinson  31:37

gonna have another third way. away. Oh, do you really I have all kinds

Jared Angaza  31:42

of domains and stuff that that I used to have an organization actually. But yeah, it's a third way thinking. It's there that that's very much the kind of the core of my philanthropic approach. There's always another way there's always a peaceful way. If you haven't found it in your black and white one no right or wrong answer, you haven't gone far enough. There's always a third way.

Kevin Tumlinson  32:04

It's just always it feels painful to consider a third option I think people

Jared Angaza  32:08

does but and that's, that's where the real juices that's the wisdom. That's the that I mean honestly that was Jesus thinking like somebody say, well it's this way or this way to go like you know like I'm in there like Luke Skywalker Yoda or something and he's like, Look this there's actually this other way if you come around this way it looks entirely different. Yeah, yeah. And I love that and that's I employ that third way concept couple of quite a bit actually yeah

32:34

I yeah I could see it I could see you got you got that vibe about you man

Kevin Tumlinson  32:42

that's cool working for the masters. Yeah, that's right. And that's that's a key component to it's like you have I have I wrote recently wrote down all my principles because I'm reading that book principles and the author's name has completely blown out of my head but I was writing all down in one of those is sort of, you know, I don't have to control everything to use everything. Right? There's opportunities everywhere. I've got all these principles that I've been mapping out and I'm starting to see a theme. That is that if I if I can change my perspective change how look at things, I gained new opportunities, all change leads to new opportunities. Yeah, absolutely. So you are? Well, the whole Flat Earth beside your business is really intriguing to me. And I'm glad I'm happy to hear that you're you're doing all that you see, you see in so many different pies. So like, was there is there like a unifying theme to everything you do? You could sum up?

Jared Angaza  33:44

Yes, there was the easy questions. Yeah. I mean, I know that that was that was getting in there. Well, I had I mean, I want to everything that I'm doing and if you look at my my my screen Primary projects with you know, coaching and consulting in the brand identity space and helping people understand their value and all that, right got passage my mastermind men's group, you know, that is a society of men kind of on a quest for a deeper experience and that conscious manhood again, you know, very congruent my podcast is for, you know, seekers and thinkers and doers and whatever that are concerned about humanity and they want to have a good conversation about wisdom and, and wonder and culture and all that. So again, consistency there and congruence. My podcast is my voice passages, my community, and the consulting is where I teach other people, you know, the direct and indirect way like that. And then I'm involved. The other major project that I'm involved with is the human spaceflight program, which is launching this year. Yeah, after years and years of development and books and all kinds of stuff. Anyway, and I've had the honor of being able to be in involved with them as a first as a project manager, then

Kevin Tumlinson  35:03

that's where you're hanging out with my boy Rick Tumlinson.

Jared Angaza  35:05

Oh, Tumlinson. Yeah, he's on the board.

Kevin Tumlinson  35:09

Yep. You got to tell him I said hello. And then I'd love to chat with him.

Jared Angaza  35:13

I will see if I can get him on your podcast.

Kevin Tumlinson  35:15

Yeah, we had an email contact for a while there. And then I don't know which one of us got too busy, but we stopped talking. But yeah, he'd be fun. That's cool, man. Yeah. It everything you're doing is incredible. I, I'm, I'm just impressed. Yeah. And I would say I'm not easily impressed. But there's lots of things that impressed me but you've raised the bar. So but I also just want to extend some thanks to you, man, because you are definitely out there improving lives and changing lives making the world better. So that's fantastic. So I appreciate that. So I know other people will appreciate that.

Jared Angaza  35:54

Thank you, man. I I appreciate that as well and it's it's I live a happy life, man. It's it's pretty amazing all the stuff I get to be involved with.

Kevin Tumlinson  36:04

That's fantastic. And it all starts with just loving humans philanthropy.

Jared Angaza  36:09

I would say that that is everything I'm doing, trying to get people to remember that. Yeah, that maybe that's a good way to sum it up. Yeah.

Kevin Tumlinson  36:16

I love it. All right. Well, we're at time and now is really unfortunate because I'm enjoying talking to you, man. But tell people where they can find out more about you online.

Jared Angaza  36:26

You can find me at Jared on Gaza calm I assume you'll put that in the show notes for spelling. And, and then my podcast is noetic podcast.com. And noetic is about it's the scientific term for this inner knowing that we have we talked about consciousness and wonder wisdom and culture on there.

Jared Angaza  36:45

That's places by me.

Kevin Tumlinson  36:46

Always looking for good podcast, man, especially something that will enlighten me. raise my brain.

36:53

Yeah.

Kevin Tumlinson  36:55

All right, buddy. All right. Well, thank you so much for taking the time to be on the show, man. And I appreciate

Jared Angaza  37:01

you inviting me on. Thanks so much.

Kevin Tumlinson  37:02

Oh man, you're welcome back anytime. So for everybody else right now, you're probably hearing the groovy bridge music, you may dance and place it will. And if you stick around, I'll have some words of wisdom for you. So we'll see you on the other side. Hey, you looking for a jump on your own indie, author career but kind of confused about where to start. I got the place for you check out draft to digital, that's where you're going to be able to convert your manuscript, distributed worldwide online and get help the whole way from the best author support there is trust me on this one. So go check out draft to digital at draft a digital comm slash word slinger. Well, as promised, here we on his side and I'm going to, I'm going to give you some words of wisdom. My Word of Wisdom today is let's think let's think about that. What What can I tell you that could be of some value to you personally and as part of your author career? How about this, I have been making a study lately of the philosophy of stoicism. And I actually have a guest coming up. And I may bump him up in the queue a little, because I feel like this is a perfect sort of topic to, to to enter the new year with. Because I think stoicism is a it's a philosophy that that is that centers around among other things, it centers around focusing on the things that you can actually control and in the grand scope of things. The only thing that you can control is how you choose to perceive the world around you and the things that happened to you and the things that happened in your life. This is a this will be a familiar concept to a lot of folks. The author Viktor Frankl, who wrote Man's Search for Meaning, he was a Holocaust survivor and he was in multiple concentration camps suffered, the loss of everything you ever knew everything you ever loved, family, his wife, his professional standing, his life's work, his health, friends left and right and he lost it all. in, in, in all of that. He came to realize the only thing that the Nazis couldn't take from him was this power. To choose how he framed his experiences, how he saw the world around him. He could choose no matter what happened, he could choose what it meant to him. So Man's Search for Meaning resulted in discovery that meaning comes from within meaning comes from us, we decide what things mean. Now, where this is applicable to authors, in particular, is, you know, we spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to get our books out there, get the, you know, get a book written, that's always the first challenge, get a book marketed and out there so that readers discover it becomes successful. And you know, we take our swipes at things and we tend to follow trends, we tend to, you know, well, if I do this, maybe that'll work. This guy is recommending this service or this guy, this guy, or this lady is recommending this strategy, and we chase that stuff. We try to figure out what's going to work for us. And then when the when things go right or things go wrong. You know, we judge those circumstances is good or bad, right? When things go wrong, we tend to fall back On blaming ourselves, like, you know, I screwed up, I didn't do it right, I'm not smart enough, I'm not good at this. That's too much work, this is too hard. So instead, if you're practicing anything remotely like the art of or the philosophy of stoicism, you would look at that instead of judging it as good or bad. You would simply accept it for being what it is. It's completely out of control in the interview. We're gonna, we'll talk about this a little of the upcoming interview.

Kevin Tumlinson  41:34

But he brings up the example of the archer and the archer goes through a process of raising the bow, notching the arrow, pulling the string, you know, putting tension on the string, and then breathing aiming, steadying releasing, right up until that release. He's been following this process process is something I'm going to talk about a lot more in the future, and you're going to like it. But he's focused on the process. Once he's released the arrow, it's out of his control. Anything could happen no matter how great an archer he is, could be the most accomplished Archer on the planet. A Falcon could swoop down and grab that arrow in midair or the target could move at the last second or any number of other things could happen. So he only has control up until he releases that thing he the releases the actions and allows it to go out into the world. If he misses his target, this Archer learns from that mistake, the winds blowing this way. The the the target is tilted in this manner, you know, any number of things that could alter his approach he learns from the experience in tries again, Nan is an important lesson to take with us. We only control the process we use, and we only control our interpretation of the results. If you missed, it's something to learn from if he hit, it may be something to learn from success sometimes has to have lessons as well. So I hope all that made sense. I'm happy to chat about it further. Hit me up online. You can ping me on twitter at Kevin Tumlinson or on Facebook. Just search Kevin Tumlinson. You'll find me there and of course join me on YouTube. If you go to Kevin Tumlinson comm slash YouTube, I believe will take you to that channel but you can also find it at Kevin Thompson calm or words linger podcast calm. And that that, dear friends is going to wrap us up for this week. The word slinger podcast. Be sure to subscribe everywhere you can find it on I don't think it's that iTunes anymore Apple podcasts on Spotify you know any anywhere where the we're fine podcasts are sold and pop on over to YouTube and follow us there. I'm going to I'm starting to to push more content on the YouTube channel again. So retooling she experimented, bear with me know what works, what doesn't. So that's it. Thank you so much for tuning in to this week's Word slinger podcast. Hope you have a wonderful weekend ahead and we'll see you next time.

  

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